Political Systems - discussed instead of the Obama reelection
  • Post edited by hoops at 2012-06-18 14:07:50
  • This paid political announcement has been brought to you by . . . ! Love the way it's years later and Obama is still blaming Bush!
  • Thanks for posting this hoops.

    The piece doesn't blame Bush at all, but shows how much has improved under Obama.

    That expression on Bush's face says it all: I am an utter failure and my failed presidency will set my party back a generation.
  • It's all much better. Unemployment, deficits and debt, Obama's approval rating. That's what boom times bring you.

    "To hear Democrats (and much of the media) tell it, President Barack Obama is a man on the rebound. The president turned in a strong State of the Union speech, picked a smart political fight over taxing the rich and authorized another heroic Navy SEAL mission in terrorist territory. Sounds like a recipe for reelection, they say.

    There is a big problem with this Pollyanna punditry: There are a bunch of real-time numbers coming in that tell a much different tale."

    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F655D3A4-A0A9-4A61-BD0C-FF92BB2E8FC6
  • Things have certainly gotten better. According to the "centrists," if you compare now to then you're "blaming Bush."

    As though Bush had anything to do with conditions in January 2009. The nerve to even suggest such a thing.
  • That's got to sting; Obama's own Congressional Budget Office predicting rising unemployment between now and the election. Gee, he's only asking for another term to get things done-but didn't he already say that if he didn't get things done in three years he should be voted out? Yeah, things are real better. Not.
  • This paid political announcement has been brought to you by . . . ! Love the way it's years later and Obama is still blaming Bush!



    Pavlov rang his bell and look who is salivating! Are you praying for the economy to get worse? Excited that the unemployment rate might go up?
  • Poor John Locke. So desperate for bad news.



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  • Poor ktc, brainwashed and blinded to that fact, lol.

  • Post edited by hoops at 2012-02-02 13:29:33
  • I don't understand how the Congressional Budget Office can be described as "Obama's own..."
  • Any comments on my post 5 days ago, with Andrew Sullivan's list of the reasons why Obama must be elected? That seemed to lay it out pretty clearly.

    It's pretty obvious that to make the unemployment rate go down, he needs the cooperation of many different factions who have no intention of cooperating with him in the slightest.

    Does Obama deserve the blame for their intransigence?

    The Long Game ... he's playing the long game, and it's working ... slowly but surely.....
  • Says junie, whistling while walking through the graveyard . . . blame, blame, blame, that's the game!
  • . . . blame, blame, blame, that's the game!



    Here's another graph for you, John, although I know you dislike "facts" and "learning about stuff."



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  • Obama's own Congressional Budget Office



    May I interrupt. The Congressional Budget Office is part of Congress not the Executive. It's John Boehner and Harry Reid's Congressional Budget Office.
  • rastro said:

    I don't understand how the Congressional Budget Office can be described as "Obama's own..."



    Sorry, didn't read your comment before I posted.

  • Says junie, whistling while walking through the graveyard . . . blame, blame, blame, that's the game!



    OK, I'll bite. What policies has Obama followed that have made the economy worse? Or, what policies should he have followed to make the economy better?

  • rastro said:

    I don't understand how the Congressional Budget Office can be described as "Obama's own..."



    It's an observation based upon how well Obama has done in forcing Congress to do his bidding.

  • juniemoon, I read it and thanks for posting that. Feel free to repost in this thread. ALthough JLD is interested in dumping his redstate negativity here, the thread is all about the reasons we'd like to see Obama reelected.
  • This paid political announcement has been brought to you by . . . ! Love the way it's years later and Obama is still blaming Bush!



    It is fair to blame Bush for the wars he started. As everybody knows, wars tend to be easier to start than to end. Now, Obama will end these wars, Iraq and Afghanistan will return to God only knows what state and the Republicans will blame Obama for leaving too soon. Would the Republicans have our soldiers dying over there for the next 100 years. 1984, anybody?

  • Says junie, whistling while walking through the graveyard . . . blame, blame, blame, that's the game!


    Sort of a rude and non-substantive response to Ms Juniemoon. Surely you have better material.

    Hey, how 'bout that chart provided by Ktc, with private-sector jobs going up under the current President (after going down under that earlier guy, not that I'm doing a "Bush's Fault" argument, just looking at the facts).

  • tjohn said:

    This paid political announcement has been brought to you by . . . ! Love the way it's years later and Obama is still blaming Bush!

    It is fair to blame Bush for the wars he started. As everybody knows, wars tend to be easier to start than to end.

    Not only that, but as President, Mr. Bush famously stated that it would be the job of the next President to find a way to end his wars.
  • Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!
  • nohero said:

    Says junie, whistling while walking through the graveyard . . . blame, blame, blame, that's the game!


    Sort of a rude and non-substantive response to Ms Juniemoon. Surely you have better material.

    Hey, how 'bout that chart provided by Ktc, with private-sector jobs going up under the current President (after going down under that earlier guy, not that I'm doing a "Bush's Fault" argument, just looking at the facts).


    jld doesn't respond to substantive content. Sometimes he writes a reply, but it doesn't really address the substance.
  • Nohero
    LOST said:

    Says junie, whistling while walking through the graveyard . . . blame, blame, blame, that's the game!



    OK, I'll bite. What policies has Obama followed that have made the economy worse? Or, what policies should he have followed to make the economy better?



    I think this is a good place to re-post this, at Hoops' suggestion...my response to anyone's claim that Obama's gotten nothing done.......



    If you haven’t read it yet, Andrew Sullivan's Newsweek cover story is a must read -- lib or con, and everyone in between. It speaks volumes about why Obama must be a two-term president.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/01/15/andrew-sullivan-how-obama-s-long-game-will-outsmart-his-critics.html

    Just in case you don’t click the link (or, more likely, it doesn't work) and read the whole thing, here are my favorite parts:

    “Given the enormity of what he inherited, and given what he explicitly promised, it remains simply a fact that Obama has delivered in a way that the unhinged right and purist left have yet to understand or absorb.”

    “You’d think, listening to the Republican debates, that Obama has raised taxes. Again, this is not true. Not only did he agree not to sunset the Bush tax cuts for his entire first term, he has aggressively lowered taxes on most Americans …"

    “The great conservative bugaboo, Obamacare, is also far more moderate than its critics have claimed … since federal law mandates that hospitals accept all emergency-room cases requiring treatment anyway, we already obey that socialist principle—but in the most inefficient way possible. Making 44 million current free-riders pay into the system is not fiscally reckless; it is fiscally prudent. It is, dare I say it, conservative."

    “But the right isn’t alone in getting Obama wrong … From the start, liberals projected onto Obama absurd notions of what a president can actually do in a polarized country …"

    What liberals have never understood is that Obama practices a show-don’t-tell, long-game form of domestic politics. What matters to him is what he can get done, not what he can immediately take credit for …The man who made the case for repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” was, in the end, Adm. Mike Mullen. This took time … but the slow and deliberate and unprovocative manner in which it was accomplished made the changes more durable … To understand Obama, you have to take the long view, because he does….”

    "…The liberal holy grail … nearly universal health care, has been set into law. Politifact recently noted that of 508 specific promises, a third had been fulfilled and only two have not had some action taken on them. To have done all this while simultaneously battling an economic hurricane makes Obama about as honest a follow-through artist as anyone can expect from a politician."

    "This is where the left is truly deluded. By misunderstanding Obama’s strategy and temperament and persistence, by grandstanding on one issue after another, by projecting unrealistic fantasies onto a candidate who never pledged a liberal revolution, they have failed to notice that from the very beginning, Obama was playing a long game."

    "Sure, Obama cannot regain the extraordinary promise of 2008. We’ve already elected the nation’s first black president and replaced a tongue-tied dauphin with a man of peerless eloquence…"

    "If I sound biased, that’s because I am. Biased toward the actual record, not the spin; biased toward a president who has conducted himself with grace and calm under incredible pressure, who has had to manage crises not seen since the Second World War and the Depression, and who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name…"

    Any questions?

    This week's Time cover story is great, too.
  • Thanks hoops, for the reminder that all the crap we hear these days comes from the same group of failures that led us into Iraq and the disaster that is the economy. Hopefully, given that these people prescribe the samed failed policies as a solution to our current problems, we can look forward to four more years.

    The public is disgusted with - more than anything else - the nasty, partisan yihadis they elected ('10) in a moment of reflexive fear. The ridiculous and embarrassing House frosh, the awful gubernatorial choices, and - as we watch it unfold - the 'lower-than-whalesiht" tactics of Mittens (who apparently, is able to be very nasty when he needs to) and the buffoonish dog-whistling racist scumbag we know as Newt.

    I'm sure that somewhere a Republican is saying, "Gee, Sarah backs Newt and Trump backs Mitt. Which of these party personages do we follow?"

  • ktc said:

    Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!



    Best new slogan - where are the bumper stickers!

  • Private sector job growth has been undercut by public sector job losses. Note that the video is careful to only cite private sector jobs.
  • rastro said:

    I don't understand how the Congressional Budget Office can be described as "Obama's own..."



    As with other stuff, depends on the data. Rush was basing an entire rant yesterday based on the CBO's "very credible" prognosis for the next couple of years. (Please don't ask how I know what Rush's rant was about.)

    Post edited by GL2 at 2012-02-02 13:37:40
  • Juniemoon: Thanks for re-posting the article. I think it was a good and balanced piece. And the author is a conservative. (Not a NEOconservative).
  • Meanwhile, who but the GOP would be criticizing BHO for wanting to pull out of Afghanistan and for being soft on Iran? One MOL poster keeps reminding us that the election is a lock for BHO. I'm starting to believe it.
  • These people are tone deaf. Really, apart from politics. Tone deaf. Who's in favor of more involvement?
  • Juniemoon--I loved when you posted that elsewhere. Thanks for redacting some here.

    Problem is that reason loses to emotion in politics. There are too many who think Obama is "upitty" or who say they are "just not comfortable with him". There are too many who will listen to the bricks being thrown and not bother to think for themselves. The pile-on mob mentality can make even previously sane people like Mitt Romney say some absolutely crazy things--red-state red-meat is addictive, I fear. And the GOP learned a valuable lesson from first Reagan and later W--if you say something over and over, even if it is demonstrably false, enough people will begin to believe you that you might actually win. WMD anyone?
  • mfpark said:

    Private sector job growth has been undercut by public sector job losses. Note that the video is careful to only cite private sector jobs.

    Public sector job cuts are a function of state and local government actions, primarily to serve the goal of having lower taxes.

    Private sector job growth is needed, to support the providing of more public sector services again.

  • Time to recycle an old meme-
    Why does JLD hate America, so much? ;-)
  • nohero said:

    mfpark said:

    Private sector job growth has been undercut by public sector job losses. Note that the video is careful to only cite private sector jobs.

    Public sector job cuts are a function of state and local government actions, primarily to serve the goal of having lower taxes.

    Private sector job growth is needed, to support the providing of more public sector services again.



    Exactly. I would love to see Obama highlight this.
  • mfpark said:

    nohero said:

    mfpark said:

    Private sector job growth has been undercut by public sector job losses. Note that the video is careful to only cite private sector jobs.

    Public sector job cuts are a function of state and local government actions, primarily to serve the goal of having lower taxes.

    Private sector job growth is needed, to support the providing of more public sector services again.
    Exactly. I would love to see Obama highlight this.
    High five.

  • tjohn said:

    This paid political announcement has been brought to you by . . . ! Love the way it's years later and Obama is still blaming Bush!



    It is fair to blame Bush for the wars he started. As everybody knows, wars tend to be easier to start than to end. Now, Obama will end these wars, Iraq and Afghanistan will return to God only knows what state and the Republicans will blame Obama for leaving too soon. Would the Republicans have our soldiers dying over there for the next 100 years. 1984, anybody?



    Obama said 'judge me after three years, if I haven't turned things around I don't deserve to stay'. He didn't, and he doesn't.
  • Its so good to get out of NJ at times. At a seminar in Florida with 300 people in attendance from all over the country - companies big and small. Tom Ridge gave a speech at lunch about managing risk. Made the comment that he hopes Obama will earn lots of money sooner rather than later (as former presidents often do) and received rousing applause from the crowd. Its amazing what the rest of the country thinks about the current president.

    Ridge's opinion on who will win the next election? He said that unless Romney chooses a VP candidate wisely the White House is Obama's to lose.
  • So what? It's no secret that Wall Street supports Barack Obama. Look at the folks in his cabinet. He helped bail them out, and he has kept them in business. That's what Democrats do. No surprise there.

    What's your point? That Obama must be some kind of Kenyan Socialist?
  • its just the sour grapes crew. this thread will stay full of positive Obama news.
  • I just flew to Houston for work last week. I sat next to a gentleman on the plane who was from New Hampshire. I asked him "How did that Primary go for you?". He said, "I usually vote Republican, but I gotta say-of those 4 candidates, there is nobody that I could possibly vote for." I said, "That's music to my ears". And we continued to have a very pleasant, very informed conversation about the future of our country, and how completely out of touch the Republican party has become. I arrived in Houston a much happier person. I hope there's a lot more like him out there.
  • Obama 2012

    Kick the rest of the bozos out 2012 too
  • sportsnut, what kind of event was it?
  • Meeting of accountants and lawyers. Mostly tax folks.

    I'm know, I know an exciting group.
  • 5.36% actually, indexed based on the latest census figures.
  • Looking good for the President today
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  • Ed Henry is a hack everyday.
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